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, Thu 14 Sep 11:17
Thanks for the help with my first post.
Ok was Cain born before or after the split of elly/miang?
Why did Cain and the Gazel hunt Abel and elly later on?
Does Miang have any control of her actions, if she has her own personality, wouldn't she feel some compasion for her children, and rebel against Deus?
The end was sketchy at best for me. Was Krelien trying to create another god using Elly/Miang? Because you killed Dues earlier.
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| | "Re(1):Thanks, here's another." , Thu 14 Sep 23:28
Regarding Krelian -
http://guardian.leamonde.net/shrines/krel.html
A complete translation of his profile - including his intentions and what changed about his plans during his lifetime - is in his shrine under the "Secrets" link. That should explain just what he was after, and why.
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| | "Re(1):Thanks, here's another." , Thu 14 Sep 15:45
>>Ok was Cain born before or after the split of elly/miang?
Before, Fei states this around the zohar part of the game, I believe
>>Why did Cain and the Gazel hunt Abel and elly later on?
They refused to join them and opposed their religous beliefs so cain felt it was his duty to personally execute them. I delve on this in detail in a fanfic I'm writing, it'll be a while before its done.
>>Does Miang have any control of her actions, if she has her own personality, wouldn't she feel some compasion for her children, and rebel against Deus?
While a human, Miang is part of Deus so, like the ministry she can't go against it.
>>The end was sketchy at best for me. Was Krelien trying to create another god using Elly/Miang? Because you killed Dues earlier.
No. He was trying to gain access to the 4th dimension, which is what he has been trying all along. He wanted to do this because no human suffering existed there. The god he speaks of is the wave existence.
"Have you ever been in love?" Kissoon replied.
"Yes I think so."
"Then you've been to Quiddity twice. Once the first night you slept out of the womb. The second occassion the night you lay beside the woman you loved. Or man was it?" He laughed. "Whichever."
"Quiddity is the sea."
"Quiddity is the sea. And in it are islands called the Ephemeris."
"I want to go there." Jaff breathed.
"You will. One more time you will."
"When?"
"The last night of your life. That's all we ever get."
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| | "Re(1):Thanks, here's another." , Thu 14 Sep 12:13
I don't know all of your answers because dome of it is scetchy for me too. But I do know that Miang does have some compassion for her children due to the fact when she and Graph fout the gang and Elly released her power then fai,ed and Id woke up, she said to Krelien after that she wanted to save Ramsus. Also think of the tome when we found out that she had crystaline blue eyes, remember how she helped Elly escape. Let me know when you get more answers.
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| | | "Re(2):Thanks, here's another." , Thu 14 Sep 21:13
Ok let me see if I can clear all this mess up.
1) Cain was probably born before the split in my opinion but go see the thread "Sons of Cain" for more on this
2)Cain hunted down Abel because if he and Elly were to have children their DNA wouldn't contain the components necesary for reviving Deus. Abel wasn't created by Deus hence his DNA isn't designed to be affected by the Gaetia Key (the thing the Gazel used to turn everyone into Wels) So basically Abel's children and their children would be a direct threat to the ressurection of Deus. That's my theory atleast.
3)Miang has some control over herself and some compassion. She excerts that at various points during the game. She is however genetically programmed to ressurect Deus. I suspect this is much like how females are genetically programmed to want to have children and then have unconditional love for their offspring.
4) Krelian was attempting to revert things back to the beginning. Originally all life originated from the wave existence and everything was one. Then some of it spilled over into our dimension and life blossomed. Krelian felt that because of all the pain humans cause each other and because of all the evil he'd caused it was better off that people returned to the wave existence and become a part of that again. The wave existence is also what Krelian refers to as God.
Hope this helps clear all that up
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boy a love thats unattainable no matter
how hard you pursue it.
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| | | "Re(3):Thanks, here's another." , Thu 14 Sep 21:57
Um... if females are "genetically programmed" to want to have children, I don't know what I am, but it sure as heck isn't female. (>_<) Anyway, as for Miang, I suspect there's something more than mere genetic transference involved; genes can do a lot, but they cannot re-create such a full and specific person with memories from scratch. The genetic factor is what transforms an ordinary woman's body into Miang's; I think Miang's consciousness itself may simply "jump" bodies, much like Grahf's. I do know a bit about genetics, and there's simply no way that an actual genetic code can store memories of what happens to a physical body during its lifetime.
Regarding Cain, I think his reason for killing Abel was simpler than mere genetics-- Abel, as the Contact, possessed the power of the Wave Existence, and thus was a direct threat to him and the Ministry, had he chosen to turn against them. He probably eliminated him in an attempt to ensure his own survival, and thus the eventual resurrection of Deus. If you'll recall, the Contact was the only one with the power to set the Wave Existence free, and Cain and the others certainly /didn't/ want that happening-- at least, not before the revival of Deus. Thus, it was to their benefit to track him down and destroy him every time they discovered a new incarnation.
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You are right in thinking that genetic trasmission of those memories is quite impossible, but you have to think that Xenogears after all is still a game, so fantastic things could
be put into the story; however you have to think that only cause actual humans can't do that isn't said that they won't do it in the future; just think to the difference between the actual
humans and the first humans; however there is always to remember genetic enginering, a very new science that have to evolve.
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