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, Wed 18 Oct 13:33
Hey...Isn't it true Fei is supposed to represent Jesus or something?
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| | "Re(1):The truth about Fei." , Thu 19 Oct 23:45
Actually... Fei is more representative of (*gasp*) Abel than anyone else... (in my opinion). And while it can be argued that Krelian is a parallel to Jesus (as far as some of his intentions went) I find him to have far more in common with Lucifer (I'm writing something on this, but I haven't had time to finish it yet). ^^
Let's set something straight, shall we? Xenogears isn't Christian. Xenogears isn't Jewish. Xenogears is not any religion, nor does it promote any religion. The designers used elements from several Eastern and Western religions, and without prejudice, as far as I can see. These things were meant to enhance the story, not make religious statements.
Also, keep your beliefs - whatever they might be - out of this forum, unless they are fully relevant to the topic. If you want to discuss what you believe, take it to the General Forum, and please, refrain from criticizing them as we've seen here. That's blatantly offensive to some people, and there's no reason to start a religious war in here. And on that subject, try not to be so general about nationality either. It's your right to have and express an opinion, but you don't have to be so rude about it.
Blitz, your recitation of the history was kind of off... In that case, I'm afraid I'll have to agree with AC -- for the most part. The only things I can add are this, and they're just variations:
- Earth was destroyed by a great disaster, and it isn't all that clear just what caused it, although I think we all have a pretty good idea. However, it's still there... so I think the "divine punishment" idea is out.
- The Wave Existence appears to the Contacts as-is. It is the person perceiving the Existence that gives it a certain form - in this case, it was Abel's fixation on his mother, and that has carried on through all of the Contacts.
- The "religions" were created by the Gazel and Cain, and Miang. The WE may have represented God to the limited understanding of humans, but it was NOT God. The cycle was merely the Existence's effort to free itself from the prison of Zohar.
- Fei is merely the tool with which Zohar aimed to free himself. The Contact isn't "savior" of anything. Not by intent, in any case. If you'll notice, the WE was most concerned with beginning the revival of Deus so it could break away after Fei destroyed the machine.
- Deus was in progress on the Eldrige - no one "brought it along".
- If you want more information on Krelian's true intentions and such, go to http://guardian.leamonde.net/shrines/krel.html and pay a visit to the "Secrets" section. The information there is a direct translation from his profile in the Perfect Works, so you needen't worry about the accuracy. It was done right in front of me and confirmed by another student.
As for the rest.... ^^
Ja mata.
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| | | "Re(2):The truth about Fei." , Fri 20 Oct 12:03:
Krelian's intentions was to end all human suffering by reducing them to nothingness, or "waves" again. Very Buddistic. I don't see how you gonna compare him with Lucifer...
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| | | "Re(3):The truth about Fei." , Fri 20 Oct 23:27
Lucifer is a fallen angel, AC. In many ways, Krelian is also a fallen angel, although he obviously makes it "back up", so to speak... It's just a parallel, but think what you like, and I'll write my essay on it. *shrug*
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| | | "Re(4):The truth about Fei." , Mon 6 Nov 10:57:
Umm... A little interjection about the facts. Lucifer is neither the devil or a fallen angel. Lucifer has been commonly mistranslated as Satan or as one of the fallen angels throughout the ages in almost every text. Lucifer was merely one of the angels of God-- in fact, he was the angel of Light. In truth, the two are not related.
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| | |  "Re(5):The truth about Fei."
, Thu 22 Mar 10:43
Well,Lucifer was Satan: Lucifer was God's angel of light;
he was so beauty and intelligent that he think he could beat God,so he made an army against God, but he was destroyed and sent to the hell with all the others fallen angels.
They (Satan and Lucifer) are the same person!
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| | | "Re(5):The truth about Fei." , Tue 7 Nov 20:55
Isn't Grahf Satan though? He is the one lending people the Power in exchange for their souls and the guy who is trying to tempt Fei. IMHO, Grahf looks like Satan crossed with Darth Vader, and acts like it too.
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| | "Re(1):The truth about Fei." , Thu 19 Oct 00:11
A lot of the characters in the game share the ideas or are related to the Jesus of the Gospel. Especially one of my favorite parts: when the gang found Elly before she beomes Miang, and is founf on the cross. Even the "X" appears to me to be a bloody cross that is falling over.
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| | "Re(1):The truth about Fei." , Wed 18 Oct 16:37
No he's not.
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| | | "Re(2):The truth about Fei." , Thu 19 Oct 17:53
It appears that you need me to back up my assertion with some evidence. I'm referring to the Second Advent of Jesus at the end of Revelation.
First of all, there are 5 known episodes of Xenogears, one for each Contact.
5=Fei
4=Lacan
3=Kim
2=Abel
I'm pretty sure Episode I is implied to be Jesus and the Gospel.
Remember the Eldridge.
"I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, [the first and the last]"(Revelation 22:13)
Apocalypse was coming. Earth has been destroyed by the wrath of God(probably through a gigantic Diablos or Seraph invasion)
The survivors Armaggedon fled on the Eldrige, in search of New Jerusalem, which was the promised land mentioned at the end of the Bible.
For some reason, they brought Deus and the Zohar modifier along.
The Zohar Modifier was the contraption Man used to attempt to entrap God and manipulate him.(No wonder God punished the human race with annihilation)
Anyhow, there was no way to escape from God's wrath, as Deus (which is Latin for God)took over the Eldridge's weapons systems and turned them on the ship itself.
In the final hours, Abel stumbled on God(known in Xenogears as the Wave Existence), who was in his third form of the Trinity, which has no mortal form.
This meeting was predestined. Abel became scared, and cried for his mother, so the Wave Existence took the form of Abel's mother(Elly)and appeared in that form. It was probably there that Abel made contact and realized who he truly was (We must realize that Jesus probably didn't know he was the Son until John the Baptist baptised him. I guess that is where Jesus made contact with God, according to the Bible)
Anyhow. The human race came to an end. As the Eldridge self destructed. New Jerusalem turned out to be the planet that Xenogears takes place upon.
When Abel was absorbed by the Wave Existence at the last moment, the calendar changed to T.C.(transcend Christ), according to Perfect Works.
Anyhow, the human race that came into being on this new planet were probably those that were saved, as in the fact that just about everybody in Xenogears was Christian,(with the exception of Shevat, which has Buddhist monks running all over the place. ) Just look at all those churches.
There is implied a new Trinity that exists with the start of the Xenogears world.
The Mother(Miang,Elly)
The Contact(Fei and all his previous incarnations)
The Holy Ghost(The Wave Existence)
The point is further proved by the fact that Fei, Elly, and Miang's ether potentials are all Infinite)
After all, wasn't Fei the salvation of all mankind at the end of Xenogears??? Krelian wanted them all to rot in hell for being sinful.
After all, this is just a game, that comes from JAPAN. Those people are pretty crazy, but they do cook up a good story.
The religious controversy is one of the reasons Xenogears was delayed in coming to the US. The original Japanese version was far more controversial in content. They slimmed it down to ambiguities for us to imply in the US version.
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| | | "Re(3):The truth about Fei." , Thu 19 Oct 19:28:
He is not supposed to be the socond advent of Jesus. According to some people it mentions a bit about the Second Advent of Jesus in episode 1. But this has certainly nothing to do with Fei.
"I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, [the first and the last]"(Revelation 22:13)
This is supposed to represent the Wave Existence, he says it when you finally meet him at Zohar.
Earth did not be destroyed by the wrath of God. It was destroyed by the ultimate weapon which wasn't god of anything, since people built it. In the world of Xenogears it was technically god, since all humans were artificial offspring of Deus except Abel. (Note: ONLY Abel, not Kim, Lacan and Fei.)
The meeting between Abel and the Existence was NOT predestined. It was a coincidence. Who, or what could have manipulated faith? That is not what the story of Xenogears is about...
The Wave Existence didn't take the form of Abel's mother(Elly)nor did it appeared in that form.
It prepared the Mother in Deus organic computer and gave the Mother it's WILL.
-([Edited that stuff about Jesus, no hard feelings^_^])-
By the way are you Christian? I'm not.
The calendar didn't change to T.C. this late. According to the Timeline in PW it was established just before mankand evacuated Earth.
Nobody was Christian. The Church was an evil organisation similair to Christian/Catholics, but the Nisan religion is what counts.
The infinity factor held by Miang, Elly and the Contact is a way of describing that infinity hurts. When Lacan found out about it he wanted the world to end. They got this from God, because God was selfish and humans should be able to survive without a God. That is what the story is about.
Krelian didn't want people to rot in hell. He wanted them to go to heaven, to be with God. He was very religious, christian if you want. He was more like Jesus than Fei was. It's a fact that religion is bad. Fei is the one who went against God.
People in JAPAN are not crazy. Just think about those hollywood movies were buddist priest are evil guys with Magic. They gotta think we are crazy.
The Japanese version was exactly the same as ours and didn't have more religious stuff like Fei being called Fei Wong Jesus, like somebody on another board claimed. The only thing that was changed was the Church which changed name to Ethos.
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| | | "Re(4):The truth about Fei." , Fri 20 Oct 04:26:
some of us at this board are christian and would appreciate it if you could refrain from bashing our religon. I don't bash yours.
Myaru's right, as always. Xenogears doesn't specifically target or bash any religon. It uses things from a whole bunch of them. I don't know about the rest of you, but I wasn't religously offended in any way by playing it. I am offended though when someone calls the son of god a lying hippie. -_-
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| | | "Re(5):The truth about Fei." , Fri 20 Oct 11:31
Sorry about that Cain, I got carried away...
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| | | "Re(4):The truth about Fei." , Thu 19 Oct 21:43:
Wow! You're Buddhist? I didn't know that. ...Interesting.
Anyhow. I guess you are entitled to your own opinion about the story, since it was left so ambiguous. I've heard many people's versions of what Xenogears implies.
Anyhow, I still feel the Contact is a representation of Jesus. You don't have to be Christian or anything, for this is all just fictional. And yes I am Christian, but I have an open mind. I just hate those idiots who go around telling people that they go to hell for not being Christian. Makes me look bad....
Actually, the role of Christ is split between Fei and Elly. Elly was the one who went around preaching about God and salvation. She was the one who could heal people by holding their hand. She was the one who died for the peoples' sins. She was, after all, screwed over by Shevat. Heck, Elly even got crucified, and would have died on the cross had she not turned into Miang.
Fei, on the other hand weild's incredible powers, pilots Xenogears (God manifest in a gear, so in essence, the "God Gear"), is The Contact, man's only hope for salvation, and in essence, God's only "begotten" Son.
Oh, yeah, and you're right. Fei was always called Wong Fei Fong. That's the name of a legendary Chinese Martial Artist and a character made famous by Jet Li. That would be cool if Jet Li was the Second Advent. Salvation through kicking bad peoples' ass with kung-fu.
About you saying Krelian being more like Jesus, I'm sure Jesus wants to save the people, not kill them.
Anyhow, you're interpretation is an interesting viewpoint. After all, you are entitled to it. Just please don't talk smack about Jesus. That offends me.
I'm dying to see Myaru's interpretation of this. After all, she is the expert at Xenogears.
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| | | "Re(5):The truth about Fei." , Fri 20 Oct 11:36
Don't call anybody an expert of Xenogears, please. It's ridiculous. Maybe I am buddisth I dunno, I used to be a Christian though (really!)
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| | | "Re(6):The truth about Fei." , Sat 21 Oct 23:16
Why not? It certainly is a valid point, and we are allowed to have our own views about Myaru... certainly she does qualify for the position.
And we are certainly allowed to call her whatever we want. Although I think she kinda leaned away from 'Goddess of Xenogears' a while back, but its certainly worth a try. ^_-
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| | | "Re(6):The truth about Fei." , Fri 20 Oct 23:38
Well... in my experience, most Buddhists I know don't go into off-color rants about other religions... Generally, they're far more tolerant of other belief systems than Western religions.
*shrug* Nothing aimed at you, just a comment.
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| | | "Re(7):The truth about Fei." , Sat 21 Oct 06:09
I am an existensialist (if that's how it's spelled in english)
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| | | "Re(8):The truth about Fei." , Sat 21 Oct 19:50
It's spelt existentialist I think
Yes totally useless ha ha chase after it
boy a love thats unattainable no matter
how hard you pursue it.
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| | | "Re(5):The truth about Fei." , Thu 19 Oct 23:03
Ok firstly Krelian didn't exactly want to kill everyone, he wanted to return everything to beginning and make man one with God as it was in the beginning. I dont really see how you can say either are like Jesus though when they go around killing people. Krelian at certain points in the game committed incredible sins although he also regretted them and wanted to find peace with God. If anything he's closer to Longinus who speared Jesus.
I think there are simularities between Fei and Jesus but I dont think that Fei is supposed to be Jesus. Believe me there are more differences than simularities between the two as a self proclaimed christian you should be able to see that.
Secondly you people need to be more accurate when you use the word christian. A christian is someone who believes Jesus was the son of God. A christian does not need to go to church and plenty of them dont. Anyone who's studied the life of Jesus will know that in his final days he did not go around saying I want churches with you people being priests etc. Catholics and so on are also Christians but their loyalty is also to a set church which they go to which has set teachings.
In case you wanted to know I'm neither. I have my own beliefs which I can't be bothered going into since it's the wrong place.
Yes totally useless ha ha chase after it
boy a love thats unattainable no matter
how hard you pursue it.
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