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, Sun 26 Nov 09:49
Sorry to bother but I still have questions to be answered.
1) Why was Fei sent to block D in Kislev?
2) What exactly is the gazel's ultimate plan and what do they need to accomplish it. It must not involve Fei cause they want to get rid of him?
3) What is Cain's ultimate plan and what is his relationship with the gazel like?
4) What components does Krelian need to reach his ultimate plan?
5) When exactly did the gazel lose their bodies?
6) Is Citan working for the gazel too, or just Cain. And is he in favor of all that Solaris is doing, or is he just faking it. And when exactly does he decide to help out fei and go against solaris?
7) Who says "I am alpha and omega, the first and the last, etc.."
Is that deus, or the wave existence or what?
8) What components does graph need to destroy god and how does he plan to do it?
9) Why doesn't Solaris want to get rid of Graph. Don't they see that he is working with miang, and helping fei to destroy everything? Or don't they think he is a threat?
That is it. Sorry about the length but I would love some answers to these. Thanks!!!
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| | "Re(1):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Sun 26 Nov 14:28
Thanks a lot Cain. Helped a bunch. But I still got a question. If Citan doesn't like what the Gazel and Cain and Solaris are doing, then why does he still work for them?
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| | "Re(2):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Sun 26 Nov 17:33
Citan kept his ties with the Gazel ministry so that when they got to Solaris he could first speak directly with ID in a controlled environment and secondly have the limiters removed from Fei and his friends.
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| | "Re(1):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Sun 26 Nov 14:17
1) Why was Fei sent to block D in Kislev?
Fei was placed in D Block so he could be easily monitored, and they could test data on him during battles. In addition, being in the country that Gebler/Aveh wars against is convenient when it comes time to exterminate him.
2) What exactly is the gazel's ultimate plan and what do they need to accomplish it. It must not involve Fei cause they want to get rid of him?
Since the Gazel is part of Deus, their main plan is to resurrect Deus. No, Fei is not involved. It is obvious throughout the game that they want him dead.
3) What is Cain's ultimate plan and what is his relationship with the gazel like?
Cain is the Gazel's elder brother, not by much though. He was the first born from the mother and they were born soon after. Cain is kinda like in the role of the British Monarch. Although he's Emperor, he no longer has any real power, this belongs to Krelian. The Gazel is like a Parliament role.
4) What components does Krelian need to reach his ultimate plan?
everything to resurrect Deus, plus the contact to destroy Deus/Zohar so the Wave Existence can be freed. This includes Zohar, the Deus corpse in Mahanon, Razael's Tree, all 12 anima relics, the Gazel Ministry, and Miang.
5) When exactly did the gazel lose their bodies?
500 years ago in the Solaris/Shevat war. It was Diabolos along with Grahf.
6) Is Citan working for the gazel too, or just Cain. And is he in favor of all that Solaris is doing, or is he just faking it. And when exactly does he decide to help out fei and go against solaris?
Citan works for both Cain and the Gazel, although he doesn't report to the Gazel, he reports only to Cain. As he says in Nisan, he does not approve of what they are doing. They don't really say when he decides to help out Fei, from what I figured, when he was first sent to the surface he could care less about Fei, but gradually he grew to know him and like him. And you can't forget that even so, before he was sent to the surface he didn't necessarily approve of Solaris's actions.
7) Who says "I am alpha and omega, the first and the last, etc.."
Is that deus, or the wave existence or what?
Wave Existence.
8) What components does graph need to destroy god and how does he plan to do it?
Grahf plans on taking control of Deus, Zohar and Fei/Id. With all those, he should have no problem destroying the world.
9) Why doesn't Solaris want to get rid of Graph. Don't they see that he is working with miang, and helping fei to destroy everything? Or don't they think he is a threat?
Grahf works for Solaris, I think he's a member of their military. I don't think they mention that in the game though.
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| | "Re(2):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Sun 26 Nov 17:25
Just a bit of additional information about Citan. When he was in Solaris the guy was pretty evil to begin with and even lead an attack against Shevat. During that attack he battled Yui and Yui actually won but spared Citan's life and nurtured him back to full health. The two fell and love and I get the impression that its around this time that Citan started to become more compassionate. Now if memory serves me correctly Citan's mission wasnt to kill Fei just to observe him and work out if he posed a threat to the world in the form of ID. He wasn't there to kill Fei and he certainly didnt know Fei before he took on the job. Whilst he wasnt 100% honest with Fei about all this its blatently obvious that Citan's loyalty was to Fei first and Cain second. Somewhere along the line he would have had to make the decision to break all his ties with Solaris and stay with Fei.
Before you ask Diablos is another name for the four orbs which surround Deus in the final battle.
The Gazel ministry want Fei dead because it's his job to eliminate Deus and free the wave existence. So when you think about it, its pretty obvious why they want him dead.
Oh and in regards to what Krelian needed for his plan, you left out all that Anima and animus. Without all those people turning into Wels the plan wouldnt have worked either.
Everything else I think Cain covered.
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| | "Re(3):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Mon 27 Nov 12:44
"Before you ask Diablos is another name for the four orbs which surround Deus in the final battle. "
Huh? Those are Deus's pillars, not Diabolos. Atleast I think so... They never call them Diabolos in the game and I don't think they say that in PW.
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| | "Re(4):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Mon 27 Nov 17:16
Thats funny I seem to recall somebody (cant remember who) posting a thread way back at the Nisan Sanctuary saying that the Diablos menace was the 4 Deus Pillars and that they were terminal interface weapons. The information was supposedly from Perfect works but I wouldnt know what page since it was a long time ago. I could be wrong but I dont think so. Does anyone else know about this?
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| | "Re(3):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Mon 27 Nov 12:03
Just to add more justification to the last question, don't forget that Wiseman and Grahf are basicly the same person.. Whereas Grahf is the destructive part of Lacan, Wiseman is the personality of Fei's father, bursting though in a similar way that Id personalitty and fei.. All in same person... That's why Zephyr, when, at one point (if I recall correctly) said some bad comment about Lacan/Grahf in presence of Wisemen, wanted to appoligise to him, but Wiseman said "It's okay... I'm not him.", even though it was the same body.
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| | "Re(4):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Tue 28 Nov 19:51
In other words, like father, like son.
Both Khan and Fei have multiple personality disorder, with one of their Freudian psyche dominating a personality:
Khan Wong
Id-Grahf(all the hatred of Lacan manifests in his Id)
Superego-Wiseman(He hides his face because of shame, and he is also afraid to face Fei because of the "incident", which makes him feel like a failure)
Ego-Khan
Fei Fong Wong
Id-Id(duh, Keeps bad memory. Full of hatred and homicidal tendency)
Superego-Coward(Keeps only happy memories, the truth is hidden away by Id, escapes from his problems)
Ego-Fei
I just noticed that after finishing Xenogears the second time.
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| | "Re(5):Even more questions (*spoilers*)" , Wed 29 Nov 06:41
Not exactly because Grahf isn't part of Khan's psyche/personality which remains intact although suppressed some of the time. Grahf is an external entity which invaded Khan's body most likely using the Urobolus ring and was orginally split from Lacan's persona. Fei on the other hand actually suffers from multiple personalities and ID is actually a part of his own psyche and a war is going on inside Fei's mind. In wiseman the conflict is between Khan and Grahf.
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