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| |  "Krelian vs. the Almighty"
, Tue 6 Mar 20:02
Question: If Krelian becomes an angel to go meet up with the Wave Existence, doesn't this imply that Har is actually God? And if so, how about Har's explicit comment to Fei that he is actually not God?
Hmm.
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| | "Re(1):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Wed 7 Mar 07:04
I do belive the Wave Existances interputation of itself is the best way to look at it. Afterall if anybody knows what it is it does.
"In one word... ...EXISTENCE."
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"In actuality, I do not have a physical form. I am an 'existence' of a higher dimension. A place where time and space is controlled... The fluctuating void... The 'wave existence'... "
(thank Xenogears HQ for that).
The Wave Existance himself implies he is not god. At least in the way that people interpurt god. He is a Existance a being of Time and Space. In essense he seems to be implying that he is literally everything he is in himself 'existance'. In such he is not god as a being responsible for all things any more than you are responsible for the murderous atrocities of you cells on the poor helpless bacteria in your body..... Thus he is not god as we view him....
The fact that Krelian became an angel implies though the Wave Existance is not infact 'god' he is mighty 'close' as all of his direct servants are angels......after all look at Id's Fei's and even Grahfs gears (only in kislev when he comes to save elly) all are surrounded by light though on Grahfs I don't know for sure all seem to have wings as well.
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| | "*stomp stomp clap*" , Wed 7 Mar 00:50
WE Will Rock You by Quee.. erm the Elements
Fei was boy
shooting ether, accidently
killing his own mom one day
he got blood on his face, Id took his place
kicking ass everywhere and every place
(singing)
WE will WE will rock you
WE will WE will rock you
(c'mon)
ship was beat up, cuz Deus had turned the heat up
Captain hit the self-destruct, blew his freakin' seat up
threw debris, and his ship to the ocean floor
but Miang survived, birthing Cain and more
But that's not all the information
Cuz there was Elly's pretty face
Which was what small Fei could see
And they were born again to stop
the chain from go'ng again
cycling all o'er again
meeting up at the Black Moon Forest ground
They got it on again - shout it out
WE will WE will rock you
WE will WE will rock you
WE will WE will rock you
Har, Har, Har, Har, Har, Har, Har, Har
Fei you're just a coward, little boy in for a surprise
gonna be The Contact some day
You keep changing your face, you mental case
It's a wonder that you put Deus in it's place
(singing)
WE will WE will rock you
WE will WE will rock you
WE will WE will rock you
-TC, who doesn't really have that much time on his hands. Really.
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| | | "Re(1):*stomp stomp clap*" , Wed 7 Mar 17:26
What is this, some Wierd Al Yankovic shit?
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| | | "Re(1):*stomp stomp clap*" , Wed 7 Mar 14:00
That song right there probaly helped explain that part of the game more than anything else I have read. I never realy understood the Eldrige crash and the Zenobiam era of the game. I only understood the Miang part.
I am the A and the Z
the Beginning and the End
the First and the Last.
That just doesn't sound as good.
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| | "Re(1):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Tue 6 Mar 22:16
I interpreted this differently, I guess. ^^ The way I see it, the WE is an equivilent to god, and the people of Fei's world see him as such. Therefore he is a god, to them, because that is the way they perceive him. He said it himself to Fei - I don't remember the exact wording (and I'm too lazy to search through Cain's script), but the WE told him that he was only seeing what he "wanted" to see. For lack of better wording.
There are a ton of theories about man creating gods, and not the other way around - and that's how I interpreted the part that the Wave Existence had in the story of Xenogears.
Ja mata.
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| | "Re(1):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Tue 6 Mar 21:29
Har?? Who's that? I only know a "Kahr" in the game, and he's far from being a "God"... No "Hars" though... :(
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| | | "Re(2):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Wed 7 Mar 14:14
when fei asks the WE what he is, he replies with Har... or something like that, i'll have to check the script again @_@
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| | "Re(1):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Tue 6 Mar 20:09
Har de Har Har.
-TC
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| | | "Re(2):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Tue 6 Mar 20:54
The WE is God, and at the same time it's not because it's true form was split because of Fei's contact. If you were to lose a piece of yourself, you are not yourself anymore till you get that part of you back. Fei took the WE power, Elly took it's will, and Deus took it's physical body. All that was left was the consciousness. When Fei, Elly, and Deus resablished contact,the WE recieved it's parts back and thus became "whole" again.
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| | | "Re(3):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Wed 7 Mar 17:28
I'm pretty sure Grahf is Satan, then.
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| | |  "Re(4):Krelian vs. the Almighty"
, Wed 7 Mar 18:03
Does that make the DIABOLOS corp Hell's Angels?
It all returns to nothing. It all
comes tumbling down
tumbling down
tumbling
down.
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| | | "Re(5):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Thu 8 Mar 00:30
It's all in the symbols. ^.^ But I think we've had enough of English class.
Ja mata.
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| | | "Re(5):Krelian vs. the Almighty" , Wed 7 Mar 20:47:
HAR? HARLEM? HARCONEN? Hey now! The Wave Existence must be god. All Krelian wanted was to be loved, someone he could come home to at night, make him dinner, rub his feet. hahahaha
Oh and by the way the Wave Existence did say it was viewed as a god to some, so I guess that's all that really matters. (Poor Krelian going to spend eternity with a fake)
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