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| |  "The Trial of Citan Uzuki"
, Thu 15 Mar 05:48
Dear ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we are gathered here today to (much to my regret) pass judgement on the good doctor, Citan Uzuki. As much as it pains me, there can be no denying the facts: Citan Uzuki is responsible for the masacre that took place in Lahan. "why", do you ask? Let us review the facts. We all know that Citan was sent to Lahan to keep an eye on Fei, lest he become a problem to Solaris once again. From this we can conclude that Citan must have known about Fei's condition, hence known about Id and his homicidal tendencies. wouldn't it be the "right" thing to do then to "alert" the citezens of Lahan during the skirmish that brought about Id's awakening? When I say "alert", I don't mean that he should have said exactly what the danger was and cause the already worried villagers to panic. I mean that he should have tried to get them out quicker and earlier than he did. It is obvious that we can't deny the fact that he tried to stop Fei from entering the gear, but still the question remains: did citan do enough to save those people and is their blood on his hands? The judgement, fellow jury, is up to you...
"Doth thou desire the power?" - Grahf
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| | "Re(1):The Trial of Citan Uzuki" , Sat 17 Mar 09:34
Ah, but here is where we come to the true quandry... for Citan is not the one who is truely guilty of instigating the massacre at Lahan... that honor falls soley on the shoulders of our loveable Seeker of Power, Grahf. Citan DOES shout for Fei to not get into the gear, and begs him to not get involved. And quite frankly, I think from the moment Fei first sees Weltall that his boarding it was inevitable... Id was kinda in control at that point, or if he wasn't completely in control then he was getting very close.
So no, I don't think that Citan is guilty... especially since part of his theme (and by extent, Emperor Cain's theme) in the game was one of redemption...
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| | "Re(1):The Trial of Citan Uzuki" , Thu 15 Mar 11:45
You know, there was actually a really good fanfic on this very topic. I can't remember the name, maybe Amber does...
but it was pretty well written, and despite being long, I actually read the whole thing. :)
-TC
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| | | "Re(2):The Trial of Citan Uzuki" , Thu 15 Mar 13:03
I believe it was called "The Real Ricdeau." They have it up at RPGamer.
Isis
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| | | "Re(3):The Trial of Citan Uzuki" , Thu 15 Mar 13:08
Yeah, that's the one :)
-TC
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| | "Re(1):The Trial of Citan Uzuki" , Thu 15 Mar 11:17
HYUGA RICDEAU!
Learn it.
Live it.
Love it.
Wear it out.
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."
-Voltaire
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| | "Re(1):The Trial of Citan Uzuki" , Thu 15 Mar 11:17
HYUGA RICDEAU!
Learn it.
Live it.
Love it.
Wear it out.
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."
-Voltaire
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| | | "Re(2):The Trial of Citan Uzuki" , Thu 22 Mar 19:54
watch it Dr.!
There are some things that can take an infinite amount of "use" and never get "stale".
"And there was Silence in the House of Judgement" -- Oscar Wilde
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| | "Re(1):The Trial of Citan Uzuki" , Thu 15 Mar 09:32
Citan and Fei went into the village to help evacuate immediately. As far as the procession of events can be judged in the game, it didn't take long before Fei got in Weltall. I assume Citan had been directing people out of the village before that, stopped to try to prevent Fei from fighting(which he knew to be the greatest danger of all). After that, he got Dan out of the village, (and for all we know, others, too as they left). It doesn't appear he had much more of a chance to do anything.
Furthermore, Fei's health was of the most concern to Citan. Doc comes across as very pragmatic in the game; thus, harsh as it sounds, he would probably see the life of the Contact as of more importance than the population of a village, if it came down to it. So, aside from not wanting to create more of a panic amongst the people, he would not tell them of how much of a danger Fei was anyway. Then they would have absolutely no reason to even want to believe that the Gear might merely have malfunctioned to cause the explosion. And, without the possibility of that in mind, they almost surely would have killed Fei.
This reasoning also explains why he made sure he had time to get out of the village. From the FMV, he and the other villagers who had made it out were some distance away from the village proper. It took time to get over there. And yes, he could have stayed later, trying to help more people. But the possibility of him getting killed would have increased...leaving the Contact to wander around on his own. Citan was following mission objectives by ensuring his own safety.
Isis
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| | "Trial: Defense" , Thu 15 Mar 07:51
I would like to say that the defendent, Citan Uzuki can in no way be blamed for the acts of a mass murderer and pyscopath. Furthermore even if he could be so blamed for the actions of another he took all possible steps to stop the awakening of the real killer ID.
First the good Doctor had no way of knowing that the personality ID was rise in the subject Fei. Ever since the third personality was created he had shown no indication of the tendancies associated with ID. In such Citan had no real reason to believe that ID would reawaken in the events that took place.
Next Citan did make the attempt of evacuating the city of all the people. It was only this action through which any of the people survived and even in this many of those 'presumed' dead by IDs action left no evidence to tell us wether or not they had been killed before. Though our expert witnesses say that quite probably a number of them where. Furthermore the people would not have understood if Citan had informed him of the danger at the time and informing them earlier would only have resulted in 'Fei' becoming a reject and possibly incuring a much much longer incarnation of ID resulting in a catastrophy like that of Elru.
Furthermore Citan did all he could to stop Fei from getting involved in the fighting and never once indicated that Fei should do so. Fei did that on his own and once he was in the gear Citan despite his lack of relevant power still attempted to convince Fei to stop.
Thus I do say that Citan is innocent of all charges.
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| | | "Re(1):Trial: Defense" , Thu 15 Mar 10:20
How would one expect Citan to know that ID's awakening would be triggered by this gear attack on Lahan? Sure, violence would increase the likelihood of Id awakening, but since Fei was previously involved in occasional acts of defense (The mountain path and stupid monsters), it would be logical to assume that Id would probably not awaken.
Furthermore, Id had not yet awoken from Fei's body. As the defense noted, Citan would have only theories and assumptions as to the mechanism by which Id gain's control. Ergo, he would not know what intensity of anger would be required to awaken Id, or even if anger (or a threat to Fei's existence) would even be a prerequisite.
Besides, as a courageous, able-bodied member of Lahan, Fei would be an excellent asset in attempting to rescue the remaining townsfolk.
Attempting to keep Fei apart from the tragedy at Lahan would likely fail, given Fei's personality, and would hinder the evacuation.
Also, Citan went about retrieving the townsfolk at a fairly efficient rate, and he showed no lack of apprehension at the possible reawakening of Id.
I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
-Thomas Jefferson
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| | | "Re(2):Trial: Defense" , Thu 15 Mar 10:29:
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How would one expect Citan to know that ID's awakening would be triggered by this gear attack on Lahan? Sure, violence would increase the likelihood of Id awakening, but since Fei was previously involved in occasional acts of defense (The mountain path and stupid monsters), it would be logical to assume that Id would probably not awaken.
It is difficult to answer that, without knowing precisely how much Citan knew. But if he recognized Weltall, he probably realized that the trauma of the situation, combined with the catalyst of Id's own Gear being the one in question, could very well result in Id's advent. And at that point, with Fei already in the Gear, there was little Citan could do. The mountain path was a situation where Fei had to defend himself, yes, but it was not traumatic. If he was visited Citan often, as it was said he did, he fought those monsters everyday. A very different situation from giant robots destroying your village.
Isis
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| | | "Re(3):Trial: Defense" , Fri 16 Mar 09:15
Okay, you have a good point there. Of course, Citan still wouldn't know that trauma would cause the awakening of Id. I suppose one could say that it would be reasonable to assume so, however.
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