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, Fri 16 Mar 17:54:
I have always been fascinated by XG's ancient history, particularly because it all originated at Earth, 2001 CE. Here's the timeline as translated from PW, pg. 7:
Christian Era~
2001
The discovery of an unknown Object (this was not in PW.
I added for informational purposes, PW infos starts at 2510 :) The Object in actuality was Zohar.)
2510
The space emigrant plan became a project of world
wide magnitude. The plan for emigration begins 15
years after the foundation and establishment of the
"Pivot Machine Academy", which was the world wide
central management organization responsible for the
project. The name of a new era, T.C. (Transcend
Christ) also complemented the foundation of the "Pivot
Machine Academy". In addition, the standard calendar
was also renewed in which 365 days is equivalent to
one standard star year.
T.C. (Transcend Christ)~
0016
People's cherished wish from the Pivot Machine
Academy establishment was beginning to become reality
after 16 years. -- Though it is took about 500 star
years from the original schedule original --
the emigrant fleet was finally organized. The fleet aims at
the abyss of the universe, where it began a long
journey. The Earth thereafter is called, the "Forbidden Land", Lost Jerusalem and became inaccessible. (It seems that the sudden change of the planet's environment played a large role though, though the reason remain uncertain.).
0294
After wandering the vastness of space for
approximately 250 years, the emigrant fleet locates a
possibily habital planet in the M24 Milky Way Star
Cloud within the Sagittarius constellation. This planet
becomes the new hope for humanity and was named
"Neo Jerusalem". Eventually, the emigrant fleet settled
and colonized at this planet.
0295
The inauguration of the Star Cluster Federation. "Neo
Jersualem" became the first main planet. The "Pivot
Machine Academy" which was originally the sole
emigration management center eventually integrated
into the Star Cluster Federation and shortly after, an
election for chairman was commenced. Afterwards,
Neo Jerusalem became the base point of mankind as
the human race continue intense space exploration.
0294
4,500 blank years.
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[this message was edited by intangir on Sat 17 Mar 07:20]
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| | "Re(1):CE 2001 - TC 0294" , Fri 16 Mar 21:46
yes thanks fo posting this I also love the references to 2001 Earth. And the ancient history of Earth. Hmm, does anyone know where "Zohar" came from though? Perhaps an ancient Earth civilization? I know it was found deep underground.
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| | | "Re(2):CE 2001 - TC 0294" , Fri 16 Mar 22:41
I too have translated the origins of Zohar; as posted on XGZ and Megaflare:
Before mankind journeyed into the universe --- an Object was found.
Before mankind set out for the universe --- they accidentally found the origins of species
2001 Christian Era - Mankind excavates an unknown object
A period in history that was commonly referred to as "The Saviour who showed up at the end". The human race continued forth into the 3rd millenium after enduring 1000 years of apprenticeship.
2001, Christian Era.
A certain discovery trembled the world. An "Object" with an 'eye' was found in a geological stratum dating 3.9 billion years old. The shape of of the "Object" suggested that it was possibly an "Artificial Creation". Special research laboratories were set up to study the "Object". Before long, the discovery of the "Object" was announced to the world. Because the age of the geological stratum where the "Object" was excavated existed during the age of primordial of Earth, the "Object", presumably"Artificial", may be an object of Panspermia (pan-space theory) and the source of all life on Earth.
Various opinions and speculations were thrown from the interpretation of the "Object". Some of these opinions eventually turned into hypotheses. The level of confusion was extremely high.
In the flood of hypotheses and arguments, the question still remain: What is the "Object"? Even before that question was answered, the "Object" has not been determined whether it was an artificial creation or a mere accidental discovery. The hypotheses awaited for proofs, did, differentiated, and repeated. However, experimenting with a handful of hypotheses did have the potential risk of ending all life. The results of conducted experiments did not alleviate the hysteria and confustion at all. Instead, it built a larger labryinth of confusion.
It appears that the"Object", after measuring its age, was approximately 15 billion years old and has existed at its place of discovery in space long before the world came to existence.
The revelation of the "Object's" age only extrapolated the confusion into an epic proportion. If the "Object" was not a thing of articificial creation, then it is already in the realm of God. Because the "Object" has a considerable amount of magnetic property and eminates a strong magnetic field, it was called "MAM", magnetic abnormal material (magnetic abnormal matter) for convenience's sake. The analysis of the "Object" was conducted at an international scale. Eventually, the research plans face a budget problem. In fact, the budget froze to a grinding halt.
Only analytical work was continued in detail within the hands of voluntary researchers. Before long, these private researchers gave it another name.
The name was "Zohar".
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| | |  "Re(3):CE 2001 - TC 0294"
, Sat 17 Mar 07:10
Thank you very much for your informations!I think that the first Xeno part is the best for the story (I think this is due to my overreading Asimov's stories (if you all have liked the first part of Xeno try to read Asimov's stories)).
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| | | "Re(4):CE 2001 - TC 0294" , Sat 17 Mar 07:18:
True, I am a huge Asimov fan myself :) I particularly love his Foundations series, which eeriely resembles Xenogears in many ways (especially Earth in 'Foundation and Earth' and the formation of a central gallatic Empire).
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| | | "Re(3):CE 2001 - TC 0294" , Sat 17 Mar 01:31
I think the first time I played through the game, I assumed that when the wave existance said its name was "Har"... it was because people were calling it "Zohar" and it just didn't quite catch the beginning part of that.
Kinda like in the Star Trek I, with V'Ger :)
After all, I can't imagine too many people on the ship were talking about it. I mean, Zohar musta been old news by then, ne? It must have only heard it in passing. :)
-TC
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| | | "Huh?" , Sat 17 Mar 05:40:
The Contact:
` I'll respond to the 'Trotsky' Posts later. Since you stopped being nasty and immature to me with the 'Trotsky' comments and brought up history this may actually start getting a bit more interesting.
` Just one thing: Are you really willing to risk challenging me when it comes to *history*? :)
` Oh, and on your rules... You can't force someone to write in a certain fashion. They don't have to use spaces if they don't want to. That's still a ridiculous request. Its my choice on how to write. Amber pointed out my writing method isn't exactly readable, so I've improvised. I refuse to use spaces... I feel like I'm betraying the English I've learned before. What I did figure out is a way to improvise.
` Allow me to present something even closer to real paragraphs.
` Anyways, about 'Har'... That is what the 'Wave Existence' said its name ways. You're right, it did call itself 'Har'. Humanity named the 'Object' 'Zohar' on Earth, according to Intangir's theory. They didn't refer to any being inside, in fact, there was no being inside. 'Har' did not get sucked down into 'Zohar' until it began to examine 'infinite potential phenomena' during the test run in which Deus obliterated an entire planet.
Intangir:
' If you didn't get your information from PERFECT WORKS, where'd you get it from? If you're making it up I'm afraid I'll have to contradict that since I'm pretty bloody certain that humanity created Zohar. Even if it doesn't say so I'm attempting the theory humanity did. I like the concept of 'creating Godlike things'. If humanity *found* Zohar, then its just EVA and Arthur C. Clarke's A SPACE ODDYSSEY series all over again, and I don't particularly care for that. If there's no facts contradicting me I'll take the interpretation that lends the story more originality.
Asking Yet Again (in the Correct Forum This Time):
' Since its in the correct forum maybe this time I'll get answers.
' What does everyone think happened in those 'blank', uncovered years? We know eventually Deus was created, lost control and took out an entire planet, placed aboard the <i>Eldridge</i> to be taken to a planet for further study, and well... We know what happened to the <i>Eldridge</i>. But we don't know what else happened that the PERFECT WORKS doesn't say. So, anyone care to guess what happened?
Paul
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| | | "Re(1):Huh?" , Sat 17 Mar 10:31:
So you're going to write in bullet form now?
lol, I still don't like you. And I can make you write however I want to. It's simply a matter of deleting your profile and/or simply banning your subnet :) Man who can't post, bother me no more.
As for *history*... what am I challenging you to? What are you talking about? C'mere... give me that crack pipe
I know when 'Har' was trapped into Zohar, what I speculated that perhaps it acquired that name when people on the ship talked about Zohar.
[EDIT: I just realized this upon re-reading...
"I feel like I'm betraying the English I've learned before."
Isn't ironic that his sentence ends in a preposition?  ]
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referring to Shinji "Paul" Ikari
-TC
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| | | "Re(2):Huh?" , Sun 18 Mar 07:15
Whilst you cant exactly force Shinji to write a certain way you can ban him if he doesnt and hence problem solved. Its really TC's site so he can manipulate it as he sees fit since its his property. Just like you Shinji would have the right to erase anything you didnt like which a person wrote in your room for whatever reason. I suggest you just hit the enter button twice at the end of the paragraph its not really that hard. Think of it this way you're conforming to the standards of society when you use words and thats a necesary part of communication. Paragraphing our way is much the same thing.
The Zohar thing checks out but then it could also be coincidental its not in the game so I suggest making up ones own opinion. It's either just a coincidence or TC's right. If you like the idea then use it if not then dont its as simple as that.
This is just a theory but tell me what you think about it. Seeing as the Wave existence said that all live originated from the higher dimention which it was trying to return to, do you think its possible that Zohar was also connected somehow to that event in itself. Perhaps waves from the higher dimention passed through Zohar before which leaves us with the question of where Zohar came from itself. We know it was excavated on earth but who built it and left it there?
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| | | "Re(3):Huh?" , Sun 18 Mar 08:11
Even Perfect Works never announced where Zohar came from. Throughout PW, Zohar was referred to as 'an unknown Object discovered approximately 5,000 years ago' (5,000 years ago from the Eldridge Era..or 15,000 years ago from XG, 2001 CE).
It was discovered on Earth, studied, and was lost for about 5,000 years. Then a research team in 4,700 T.C. discovered it within the freight room of a derelict spacecraft belonging to ancient scholars of the Lost Generation Era. The MAM (Zohar) was then researched, a theory was borned (Phenomenal Transition/Actualization Theory) and MAM/Zohar was converted into an engine.
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| | | "Re(4):Huh?" , Sun 18 Mar 13:45
If you delete this... I know where to find you. ^.^
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| | | "Re(5):Huh?" , Sun 18 Mar 16:28
I knew it! Myaru has been stalking me!!! Haha, don't worry; I like the tranquility of Lea.
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| | | "Re(1):Huh?" , Sat 17 Mar 07:14
It came from my translated and 100% polished translation of the Perfect Works History chapter (chp1), pg. 7 of PW to be exact.
And yes, the argument of contradiction has been argued at XGZ before. I think Zohar was turned into an engine after witnessing its potential.
Nothing happend during the blank 4,500 years. Well, colonization of the Milky Way was one thing, development of super weapons/spacecraft, etc., nothing that's considered worthy of "Xenogears History"... until TC 4,700... Which I will post more about later.
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| | | "Re(1):Huh?" , Sat 17 Mar 06:45
even if humanity didnt create Zohar they did create Deus/Yabeh.
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"Re(2):Huh?" , Sun 8 Apr 22:42
Hmm...I think it was the biggest mistake humanity could have made. Making an unknown object a core piece for a weapon
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