Topic Title: Zohar spooktacularness
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, Sun 8 Apr 11:49
Cool Kadomonic circuitry, no?
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"Re(2):Zohar spooktacularness" , Wed 11 Apr 08:19
Looks like the Persona system might, in fact, be set ontot he outside of the eye. But more to the point, the Persona program could just as well be a biological conscruct. You can't *just* clone a viable human brain if you're going to make a computer. A human brain is born with no connections and must construct its connections through experience.
This, aggrivated by the fact that you need a good life-support system for the brain, and no better exiusts than the human body. It'd be a far easier manner to make a bioroid (remember the mention of androids in XenoSaga produciton notes?) and have them spend some time learning before plugging them into the Persona support system, with the Anime Relics acting as supporting hardware.
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"Re(2):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 10 Apr 19:37
Yeah that;s what I had thought as well. I mean the fact that there is 6 on each side also gives it off as well.
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"Zohar" , Mon 9 Apr 13:46
Since you are the expert on this Intagar, was the Kadonomy part found with the Zohar or did people put the thing in their with Elly?
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"Re(1):Zohar" , Mon 9 Apr 14:15
Kadomony is a biological mainframe supercomputer inserted into Zohar to control the phenonmenon transition/actualization process.
I am still dumbfounded why they need a life support plant.. I mean, why did they need the human creation function in the first place when it's a computer controlling Zohar??
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"Re(2):Zohar" , Tue 10 Apr 12:28
Kadomony is a biolgical computer. This means that it stores information in the form of genes (1 cell contains about 1 giga byte). Furthermore Kadamony is a True AI mimicing or better phrased surpasing Human intellectual capcities. It is best not termed as a computer.
My guess is that the human creation function was for the following:
1) create Interface weapons that can blend in with humanity.
2) create an interface through which Deus could macroscopically deal with humanity.
3) Using any of the above cause Deus to see itself as part of humanit (oops too late)
4) Created by Deus on the spur of the moment. It is a AI, it can probably program such a function.
As for life support. It is a biological computer. Consider how much support your brain needs to run. The computer would need like systems to:
1) Deliver usable energy
(I doubt that it just uses raw ether energy)
2) Deliver raw materials
3) Exchange information
4) Allow regeneration
5) Fight off viruses
6) Protect it from the outside world
or basically most of the things your body does for your brain.
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"Re(3):Zohar" , Tue 10 Apr 14:43
How well could it create biological forms? Yes, the original Elehayym was formed, but after that, Miang propagated humanity to be Deus' replacement parts(and later, Krelian's nanomachines helped.) Was it damage from the crash, do you think, that prevented it from taking care of this on its own? It would have been much faster for it to regenerate without waiting for humanity to reach the right stage.
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"Re(4):Zohar" , Tue 10 Apr 15:30
Kadamony probably couldn't collect the raw materials on its own efficiently. If it could it probably would have produced all it needed on its own.
Remember Kadamony was a biological computer. It could produce biological formes, but if it did so it needed raw material. As a computer it probably was not designed for obtaining new material as that would be provided by humans. Furthermore it is likely that it would not be able to proccess existing material unless it met a specific profile.
This is consistent with biological systems. Only the mitochondiria of a cell processes glucose, and every organell use ATP for energy. As a single purpose system it would be unreasonable to give the system the capacity to produce its own material.
Furthermore it needed more than to rebuild the deus body. It needed to build a ship which to carry the Deus body from system to system. This is a far larger work and it would be reasonable to produce an organizm of the type that built the orgional ship to build a second. Afterall humans had shown that they could adapt and survive in changing situations.
Next there is wear in tear in any working system. Shutting itself down and closing itself off is a affective methode to avoid wear and tear.
Finnaly if Kadamony was a true AI it may have been taking the easiest path for itself. Creating the system it did is kind of like doing one hour of work on a house. Taking a nap and waking up to see the entire building done. From the computers perspective it is much more efficient.
Of course this is all asuming that the Kadamony system did not do this because god told it to. (aka the Devs)
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"Re(5):Zohar" , Tue 10 Apr 19:56
Where do you suppose the material for Elehayym came from then? Perhaps one day, some passengers were reported missing....
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"Re(2):Zohar" , Mon 9 Apr 15:58
Why IS there a sword in my profile?
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| | "Re(1):Zohar spooktacularness" , Sun 8 Apr 14:14
What exactly is this a picture of???
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| | | "Re(2):Zohar spooktacularness" , Sun 8 Apr 15:43:
Its the scene when Fei is oberving Elly for the first time inside Kadamony.
Ok now I just wanted to know why there is a difference in the appearence of Kadamony in two differecnt Scenes.
If you look at the scene where Citan if brinign up an image of Zohar in Razeal, you can see the full image of Kadamony. But in the scene where Fei observes Elly, Kadamony looks somewhat different. The top and bottom of it seem to be cut off while the image of Kadamony at Razeal shows the portions that seem to be missing inside of Zohar. Is there a reson for this, or is it just something the artists missed?
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"Re(3):Zohar spooktacularness" , Mon 9 Apr 13:36:
It's probably missed by the artist because Fei's party found Kadomony in its full specs:
Enhanced and enlarged version of Razael's data screen.
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| | |  "Re(4):Zohar spooktacularness"
, Tue 17 Apr 12:55
In that scene is show the body of the mother.Why is she there?
And also:how Elly and Miang split? I have always thinked that the mother split in two,but if the mother have still a body...
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| | | "Re(5):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 17 Apr 13:03
The mother had twins daughters before returning to kadamony.
They where Elly and Miang.
This is my understanding of the event.
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| | | "Re(6):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 17 Apr 17:13
But Fei says that the body of the mother is when Elly and Miang are one being.
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| | | "Re(7):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 17 Apr 18:21
Twins in neccisty contridict nothing. Afterall in experiance we have seen that another contact can be formed when the other older version is still in existance.
The relasionship could be much the same. That wich was the WE will would have passed onto the Elly twin and that which was the Deus will passed onto the Miang twin. As such the Mother was no longer anything, but the core computing componet of Kadamony. As such it returned to its normal duty.
Seems logical and makes sense to me. I may have missed something as I do not have PW.
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| | | "Re(8):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 17 Apr 23:27
That doesnt seem to answer it. You are talking about WILLS, but Elly and Miang were one flesh before splitting and becoming individuals, at least that was what Fei seemed to be talking about. From what is said, Mother split physically into 2 forms.
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| | | "Re(9):Zohar spooktacularness" , Wed 18 Apr 07:09
Spliting physically is only a interputaion. All fei said is that the mother split. As it is the Mother is in reality the will of Deus and WE. If it where otherwise when Miang/Elly combined they would not be the mother unless the duo of their fleshy bodies combined.
Besides if a replication of physical body was that was neccisary Deus could simply replicate it with no need for the mother. This was not true and thus one most presepose that the Mother is more than the phsyical entity. As such one becomes aware that not only can will transmigrate, but that the 'mothers' orgional body still exists. Thus do I name that wich is Elly the Elly will.
Should it be the physical body instead then Krelian would have simly reproduced Sophia's body to create the anti-type.
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| | | "Re(6):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 17 Apr 12:54
Ehm, I haven't understead this thing of The captain's daughter as Abel's mother.Can you be more clear?
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| | | "Re(7):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 17 Apr 13:22
Remember when the Captain looks at that picture, just before the crash? A lot of people think that his daughter resembles Elly, and therefore, that Abel's mother might have been said daughter.
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| | | "Re(8):Zohar spooktacularness" , Wed 18 Apr 06:25
So... we can say that Fei is the grand-son of the captain.This could also explain why he have acess to certain restricted areas!
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"Re(5):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 10 Apr 10:48
If I remember what I read on the other post Abel wanted a mother like the WE wanted to get back to his dimension. This could have something to do with it. I would think that Abel made contact with the WE just before the Eldridge crash.
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"Re(5):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 10 Apr 07:50
I've always wondered that too. As for other people not making contact with Zohar during the Eldridge, I'm assuming that aftr it had trapped WE, Abel may have been the first person to witness it adventing into our world, I could be wrong on that.
And Abel made contact with WE before Deus took over the Eldridge.
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"Re(4):Zohar spooktacularness" , Mon 9 Apr 16:41
I must say, that is an... interesting place to put the control system. You said that the origional unknown object was the eye shape in the center of the modifier, correct Tang? So how did they get Kadomony installed inside of the core object? Wouldn't they be worried that they might damage the system? Then again, designing a weapon that can potentially get away from you and start destroying things on its own is not exactly the smartest move in the world...
Or am I just misunderstanding this, and Zohar is in fact the large black slab that was towed back from Jupiter sometime after 2001, and Deus' core operating system are the leftover bits from HAL? ^^
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| | | "Re(5):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 17 Apr 12:53
Where it is said that Zohar comes from Jupiter?
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"Re(5):Zohar spooktacularness" , Mon 9 Apr 18:58 :
Well it would seem difficult to insert Kadamony inside Zohar, but it was translated that Zohar went through a lot of studying, so it;'s possible humans found a way to insert the compurter inside
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"Re(6):Zohar spooktacularness" , Tue 10 Apr 12:38
What do you mean difficult?
For all we know Zohar had color coded serial ports.
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"Re(3):Zohar spooktacularness" , Mon 9 Apr 13:07
I have no idea what you're talking about, I need to pay more attention to the game...
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"Re(4):Zohar spooktacularness" , Mon 9 Apr 14:38
Ok, a few questions, what kadamon? what exactly is zohar? lot sof others, but chiefly those.
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"Re(5):Zohar spooktacularness" , Mon 9 Apr 16:13
Here you go, I don't feel like writing forever so I just took the info on them from my site. Although they may need to be updated now with all of intangir's discoveries ^_^
Zohar:
The Zohar Modifier is the ultimate power source, it provides an infinite amount of energy and was used to power Deus. Zohar was discovered/created (PW says it was discovered, but in the game I think they say it was created, so I'm not sure which is right.) in the year 2001 by the creators of Deus. It was able to obtain an infinite amount of energy from the 4th dimensional world in which it existed and by doing this ended up trapping an entity from the 4th dimension, known as the Wave Existence, inside. Zohar was brought onto the Eldridge, where Abel made Contact with it. Deus was activated, and it connected with Zohar but the Eldridge was destroyed and Zohar was seperated from Deus and thrown into a underground cavern in the northern part of the world. The power of Zohar gave beings on the planet the ability to use 'ether powers' and also powered all the slave generators in the Gears. It was eventually discovered 9500 years later by Lacan, who gained multiple powers from Zohar and eventually became Grahf. Grahf probably told Id about where Zohar was, since Id travels there as well on disc 2. Fei's friends visit there to rescue him, and there Fei reunites his -personas- and makes contact with Zohar. The power of Zohar changes Weltall-2 into Xenogears. Zohar becomes connected with Deus, which uses it to terraform the world, but the party heads inside Merkava, and destroys it. Zohar looks like a giant Anima Relic, it is a large rectangular tablet with a glowing eye on it.
Kadamony:
Kadamony is the biological computer that has the ability to give birth to living creatures that will populate the world and provide bodies for Deus to absorb. Kadamony is also known as 'The Mother'. When the Eldridge crashes, Deus activates Kadamony, which gives birth to Cain and the Ministry.
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"Re(6):Zohar spooktacularness" , Mon 9 Apr 16:31
i don;t think Kdamony would be called the Mother since it only created her physical form. But Kadamony is called the gensis of humankind.
As Intangir had translated, Zohar is discovered in Earth, and the Zohar Modifier is created my humans.
I wonder, would Kadamony still be active even after 10,000 years? I don;t see why it wouldn;t. But IF it were, then why didnt the Gazel or Krelian use to it compensate for the lack of parts for Deus?
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"Re(7):Zohar spooktacularness" , Mon 9 Apr 20:28
Yeah, I gotta fix that. After all, its been nearly a year since I wrote that... @_@
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