Topic Title: Question about Xenogears Intro.
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, Wed 18 Apr 09:32 :
Who are the people on the picture in the locket? the daughter
looks alot like elly! plus I got the jist of the whole story
but there were a lot of points that confused me... wasn't grhaf
suppose to be lacan (the other fei from the past) so why in the
end does it end up being his father.. and then not his father..
..he seemed to have multiple personallitys like fei and I read
somewhere it was the other half of fei and if that is the case..
...how did fei get split into 2 actual psyihcal beings?
(yeah i can't spell)
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| | "Re(1):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 09:44
one other thing....how could elly continue on through generations
when she kept sacrificing herself for able, kim and lacan.... i understand how maing kept living, (due to the deliberate gene put in every womans body by zohar..)
also whats the difference between zohar and dues? are they one
in the same... part of a whole? i'm confused.
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| | | "Re(2):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:04
You are really confused........
I am confused how one could get this confused. It is simply beyond me...... Where you not reading the conversations? Oh well I will answer anyway.
First off you must realize this is a games. As such the builders have the God-like ability to determin the true nature of souls (ect...).
Now conceding the above you must realize that Elly is the will of WE. In reality her memorise are stored through some miraculous fashion (possibly the Urobolous, though it may be only Miang relying on that). However this occures we know that Transmigrations occure from generation to generation. In such I say it is a sepertate entitiy (probably simulare to WE) that transfers itself from each incarnation of Elly. Whatever it is it is limited to transfers to perfect reincarnations (encouraged probably by WE, possibly but not likely by Dues, or by a genetic pattern previously set up by Kadamony). In essense though Elly's body could die her genetic spectrum still exists in humans and by one mechanism or another another perfect reincarnation occures. When this happens the Elly essense inhabits this body activating (slowly, not instantly) the Elly memorise and probaly at least a fragment of elly personality.
The exact mechanism of all of the above is unknown. We can only be sure with Miang as in the game (and PW I do belive) it says that her reincarnations are controlled by a gene. However she also must have some outside essense otherwise large chunks of memorise would be lost in every tranfer.
Zohar and Dues are very seperate.
Zohar is literally the engine that powers Dues. It is an infinite energy system currently using WE (the Wave Existance) as a powersource. Zohar however is not limited to this it acts only be finding an energy source to meet the slave generator's demands.
Dues is a bioligical weapon or more accuratly an Interplanatary Invasion system. It was created for the express purpose of capturing entire worlds. It was made to act on its own.
WE is a creature made out of 'waves'. It was sucked into the Zohar reactor when the reactor recived and energy demand that was too large for 'normal' sources. WE when in the reactor made contact with Able who latter spawned the 'Mother' (I belive they occured at the same time, however this is not a necciesity). Anyhow WE now want to break free of the reactor. In such he turns to Fei to destroy the Zohar Reactor and thus destroy WE's prison.
Figuratively WE and Deus are related. When WE was pulled down he advented into 4th demisional form in his prison. Later when contact was made he splite (or at least gave off) his Will to Elly, his Power to Fei, and his Fleshy Existance to Deus. What exactly he ment in the case of Deus is unkown. WE aparently has some sort of control over Dues though it appears to be minor and he cannot use it to affect anything of which he was part of the system. (Thus himself, Deus, Elly, Fei)
I may be wrong. If so Initanger will correct me or fill in missing gaps.
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| | | "Re(3):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:15
isn't -able- an ealier version of fei?
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| | | "Re(4):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:18
Yes
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| | | "Re(5):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 11:14 :
able spawned mother? ermm.. eh? :)
plus i know that at the end of the intro thats maing.. and maing gave birth to the first humans... now what is maing exactly? ..because dues was incomplete, did dues make her an extention of him to do his work? was she a survivour from the crash? or did he actually make her? and if so.. how?
also was it the humans miang gave birth to that created the actual human race thru genetic engerneering means? because 12 people wouldn't give enough diversity in the gene pool to allow the race to servive that long! (or would it)
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| | | "Re(6):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 12:24
Here are some basics. Kadamony is a biological computer attactched to Zohar. I do belive it helps control the functioning of the Zohar Modifier.
When Able contacted WE his want for 'Mother' spawned Elly. Effectively it caused Kadamony to produce Elly as a physical representation of itself. A biological computer could do this and still function however it would not be very efficient.
The Elly created by WE/Abel in the begining scene was modified into Elly/Miang. This is the section where they are talking about the increasing number of base pairs.
Elly/Miang best is what in the game is called Mother. Elly is in the will of WE and Miang acts as the Will of Deus. Miang in essense is a extenstion of Deus. However you must remember that Miang is still an entity of her own. As Grahf said before being asorbed by Deus she has been slowly slipping the bonds over the centuries.
Miang's perpose is that of Dues which is to guide and encourage the ressurection of Deus. Miang did not survive the crash. There where only two survivors: Abel and the Mother
Miang and Elly where spawned off of the mother before it once again became part of Kadamony. I suspect that when this occured The Dues will went into the woman Miang, the WE will went into the woman Elly. This is what they mean by partition not a literal seperation of the Mother. The mother without the will would once again just be a computer componet.
The mother 'gave birth' to the 12 Gazel, Cain and Elly/Miang. However you must remember this is a biological product created by technological intervention. The mother as a biological computer could probably produce the humans in a matter of weeks or monthes. Furthemore it could produce them full grown. (and probably did. I doubt the survival ability of babies)
As a genetically engineered race the Gazel could be programed with a vast degree of genetic diverisity for the chilern they produce. Personally I am not sure they did all the producing I belive the Kadamony probably helped produce the first generation of 'lambs' I could be wrong. I just don't think Miang/Elly are the type to spend their entire lives pregnant...... Then again we don't know for sure the sex of the Gazel (and if the above was true that would explain why Cain would be so pissed at Abel).
Furthermore Genetic diverisity is neccissary for a few things:
1) Help avoid genetic diseases. As they where engineered creations I doubt they have any disease. Thus this point is not nessiary.
2) Quickly adapt.....Once again the Gazel and Cain where evidentally more than powerful enough not to need fast adaption.
3) Resistance to diseases.... It would be years before disease where effective. Furthermore they could be adapted for reistance already by Kadamony buying plenty of time for Natural diversity to occure. Likewise all other 'population killers' would be years away, or allready at check.
In this situation I do no belive that genetic diversity is nessiary for survival. Or at least more diversity than a group of that size could be given.
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| | | "Re(7):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 13:37 :
ok so let me get this straight... the woman at the end of the
intro was created by both dues and the WE.. she is the 'Mother'.
She give birth to both elly,maing and the other 12. Dues gives maing its will and the WE gives elly its own. The mother
gave birth to elly because WE saw abel needed a companian? and
also needed a way for its will to be conducted in the world.
is this correct?
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| | "Re(1):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 09:43
First things first.
Goto Parliment and look at XeNoFrEaK76's Hello......
After you have absorbed the wisdom of the nature of names then come back here and read the rest of my reply.
The people in the locket are the Captain's Wife and Daughter. They have no relation to Elly despite the fact they look like her. Maybe there are just alot of red heads from where the Elderidge is from.
Grahf is Lacan. However Grahf's body is not immoratal so like Miang he learned to Transmigrate or jump bodies. Grahf 3 years ago took over Khan's (Fei's father's) body. However Khan's will was strong enough that at times he could escape Grahfs control.
Grahf is the other half of Fei. Grahf was origionaly as Lacan the contact. However when he first Transmigrated his Essense or soul split in two. That which was the Contact moved on eventually inhabiting Fei. That which was Lacan's desires moved completed Grahf's Transmigration. In reality they are two seperate entities however Lacan's desires are in reality part of that which is the contact.
Now if you have not done so go read the Faq......
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| | | "Re(2):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 09:55
how can people get mad over somthing as trival as how someones messsage board nick looks (unless its somthing offensive). If its readable who cares... i mean really... :) seems a bit petty.
..blah..
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| | | "Re(4):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:27
hmmmm, well its hardly L33T talk or anything :) just alternating
Upper and lower case letters ;).. so am i gonna have to change
it?
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| | | "Re(3):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:08
Can you get mad at the below statement:
Fuck off dick face
I do belive so. There are things that piss people off. It is called curtosy to not do them. I find the use of the shift key anoying, childish, stupid, tireing. I don't like reading it and such will avoid doing so if possible. This oppion is greatly shared just as the above statement will make most people pissed or at least annoyed.
As such I suggest you adopt a name that is not visibly annoying to those on the board. Otherwise don't expect people to like you very much.
All things are petty. Cusing like the above is little more than an expression of annoyance. A strong expression of oppoinion. Yet if you do it in most situations you will recive a very negative reaction. It really is not that difficult to understand.
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| | | "Re(4):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Mon 30 Apr 16:47 | Message #1371
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And I find your bad attitude childish shithead. Down with you and your damn superiority complex.
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| | | "Re(6):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Tue 1 May 10:40 | Message #1374
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Haha... oh man. Anyways, cool new avatar Xylix... I see it gives thee more arrogance powers.
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| | | "Re(4):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:25
didn't know typing could be childish. Its just the
style my nick has been in since the dawn of time...
...well since I came on the internet all those years
ago. Its been passed down through Doom, quake 1,2 and 3.
I use it for pretty much anything... i hardly think
some OTT shifting could offend someone as much as saying
your a fucking arsehole.. or anything like that... and since
its just a nickname... you'll only read it once... i can
understand the sentiment if it was the whole message typed like
that... but seiously, to not like someone because of the way
their nick is presented is childish in itself. and if thats
how people feel on this board then maybe I should go to one
with a slighty more mature (or less petty) attitude.
I'm not tring to offend, but this is the FIRST time I've come
across a messageboard in all these years that takes such a
small and insignificant thing so seriously.
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| | | "Re(5):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:37
It has to do primarly with the nature of disscussions here.
First off people that use such nicknames are very commonly
1) New to the net, and thus young/immature
2) Think that having it like that in cool and origional which of course means they are immature
3) Don't make intellectual conversations nor use anything resembolizing correct english. Which means they are immature.
Insuch the valid conclusion is that they are immature.
Now lets take this a step further.
On a board where an immature person show up at he sees the nick. As the fact he uses the same typing style he figures this is my kind of board. As such Nicks of that flavor encourage immature typers.
Furthermore if you stack up a lot of posts and you are on this bord you are condoning such nicknames. Furthermore your Sig encourages such typing. I don't want to see it and infact I would rather have you cuss me out all day then read a single passage in such a format. Cussing at me has absolutely no affect on me and I see the dislike of it just as petty as your dislike of our aversion to your name.
Furthermore If I am going to go to the effort to answer your questions instead of telling you to search the board. (which is what most people on any board will do) then you owe me the privilage of listening to my oppion.
Next if you don't like our oppions and cannot stand the way we work this is not the board for you. However I doubt you will find a board that discusses intellectual topics like this one does. I have been to many of them and this one is by far the most 'intellectualy' mature of all of them.
You don't have to change your name. TC is the god of this board. Only if he says you have to change your name do you have to change. I am mearly offering wisdom.
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| | | "Re(6):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:53
Fair enough.. you make valid points. If TC so desires I'll change
my nick, but only if he says i have to.. i hate signing up for
things more than once :) if he does want me to change it...
could he just delete my current account so i can still use
the nick rigormortis, just in the none stylised way.
I.E. RigorMortis :)
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| | | "Re(3):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:08
where can i find the FAQ? :)
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| | | "Re(4):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Wed 18 Apr 10:10
Go to the main over view of the Forum.
It will be in the upper right hand corner.
Or it is in the center of the screen when you are replying. It is however always on the top.
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| | | "Re(5):Question about Xenogears Intro." , Fri 4 May 12:22 | Message #1377
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... bah
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