Topic Title: My take on Xenogears story... pls read.
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, Wed 18 Apr 18:56 :
ok i've been quite confused by alot of Xenogears and you kind peeps have help me understand some main points and this is the conclusion I've come up with. Tell me if this sound at all correct. If i don't make sense in certian places pls correct me.
ok ok... heres my take on it..
The woman at end of intro is 'mother'. 'mother' is an engerneered human used as a biological part of Kodamony.
When she is connected from with-in Kodamony she recieves the will of both the WE and Dues. Thus she creates Maing and elly
and the other 12 gazels (thats right ain't it?)
Maing is Dues's connection to the outside world and Elly is the WE's connection to the outside world, and also a mother figure for the child abel who survies the crash. (the WE came in contact with abels mind and need for a mother). That mother being
the daughter of the captain? (Elly).
The reason there is always a Maing is because of the gene the
12 gazels engineered into the first generation of humans. Putting it into every woman giving maing the ability to mentally hop between bodys. As for elly, this is a bit of a msytry... maybe the WE had some say in the gazels creation and gave them orders (for want of a better phrase) to do the same thing with elly...but in a slighty diffrent way. Just editing the genes in such a way that there is always an identical elly with the same personallity and motives. Maing is diffrent in that she just hops from person to person via tranfering her mind, and is never really reborn. So infact she is over 10,000 years old!
As for fei always excisting, that would be the same reason as above. The gentic code would be edited to always create a fei every generation (WE's will also). of course abel wasn't created by the system but all precieding fei's are based from abel's genic code.(abel being another name for "THE FIRST")...
think this is right?
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| | "Re(1):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Mon 7 May 06:09 | Message #1387
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Maybe square didnt know what they were talkin about when they made the story, they couldn't figure out a good ending so they just put a bunch of crap together to confuse everyone and make it think it was a good story, hehe
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| | | "Re(2):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Mon 7 May 18:18 | Message #1388
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LOL how did you get your hands in their secret?
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| | "Re(1):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Wed 18 Apr 20:53 :
Mother did not create Elly nor Miang, rather Mother is the Original Elly and Miang put together. Original Elly was created by WE, and Deus using Kadamony inserted it's persona into Elly transforming her into Mother (Miang Hawwa). When she awakened from the crash, she gave birth two two replicas of herself. The subjective will of the Mother (Deus' Persona)went into the new born miang, and the Compliment Will (Original Elly) went into the new born Elly.
Intangir, is it possible that those Animus components that are located inside the compartments surrounding Kadamony been absorbed or some how merged with Mother while inside Kadamony? I think you said that Kadamony uses materials to create things, could it have used the Animus materials to also contruct the Original Elly's body? That would make sense then that she gave birth to the Gazel since Kadamony placed the components into her.
Also you guys keep saying that Miang and Elly were connections to the outside world. If that were true, then WE and Deus would know of what is taking place in the world, which I dont think is possible. Miang and Elly are running around the world of their own will, they are not like a window for Deus and WE to observe. Theyt are just to work in the absence of their original creators.
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| | "Re(1):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Wed 18 Apr 19:39
You get the basic idea; there are a few things that you stated that were incorrect, however. (Miang wasn't created by Elly, for example)
You can gain a greater understanding of Xenogears every time you play it; there is almost always something new I learn about the storyline every time I replay my favorite game.
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| | | "Re(2):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Wed 18 Apr 19:48 :
" (Miang wasn't created by Elly, for example) "
i didn't say she was :) i said 'mother' created elly and maing.
Elly was to be the mother figure of Abel!.. maybe i didn't
word it right.. but thats what i meant...
what other points wern't right?
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| | | "Re(4):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Wed 18 Apr 20:49
I'm guessing it's a mistake/inconsistancy on the part of the game's creators...
I'd go for the PW version of it though...
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| | | "Re(5):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Thu 19 Apr 07:07
You forget that the 'Mother' or at least the origional one is part of Kadamony. Thus if they where created by Kadamony they where in essense created by the mother.
The distinction I think is on who's orders created them. If the game said Kadamony produced them one could be lead to belive that WE issued the orders or that Kadamony also has a will. However if the 'Mother' produced them it is definatly the result of Dues's intervention.
What ever the case they where definatly produced by Kadamony. They where created too fast for any other result.
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| | | "Re(3):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Wed 18 Apr 20:38 :
My bad, I read it wrong.
The Mother didn't create Elly and Miang, The Mother split and became two beings, Miang and Elly.
The Mother didn't create the Gazel Ministry, Deus created them.
Abel must have just lost his mother if he was crying, meaning she died in the crash. The girl in the picture is too young to have had Abel, and I doubt the captain would be carrying an outdated picture around, seeing as they were on the ship. (where else could they be?) My guess is that she was about the age in the photo, if she was alive. If they were dead before the crash, I doubt he would still be crying. I don't think she was his mother.
As for Elly being WE's connection to the world, do you mean that she "reports" to him/it what is going on? I'm not quite sure what you mean.
I didn't read anything in-game about the ministry inserting genes into humans to allow Miang and Elly to be able to transmigrate. I don't think they did...
Much of your post consisted of theories...so it is hard to evaluate your understanding of the game.
Of course, I make lotsa mistakes so I could be wrong on some of it
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| | | "Re(4):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Tue 1 May 14:37 | Message #1375
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Just a thought but considering that the mother had Deus' persona isn't that kind of like actually being Deus? Mabye saying the mother created the gazel and Deus created them is actually saying the same thing.
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| | | "Re(4):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Thu 19 Apr 03:32
"The Mother didn't create the Gazel Ministry, Deus created them."
how exactly? :)
also if the WE just tranfered Fei and Elly minds to new people
how come they always looked the same? was their look also
determinded by the WE's godly power?
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| | | "Re(6):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Thu 19 Apr 07:56
I was under the impression that Abel was able to jump generations and still be the same person, just with a different name and new memories, through the power of the WE. He always spoke that "he" was once lacan. When he refers to his past lives he is more often speaking in a first person form. So that also made me believe they were the same person, same genetic makeup.
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| | | "Re(7):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Thu 31 May 04:29 AM : | Message #1410
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Wow, great username, my antithesis, my archnemesis :)
And it proves God is male ;)
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| | | "Re(7):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Fri 4 May 12:28 | Message #1378
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Has anyone ever truly understood this story yet?!
It kinda makes me wonder if the writers even knew... I mean, its a GREAT story and I've played through it countless times trying to better understand it... and I think i have a fairly good grasp of it. But some of it still hurts my head, hehe.
LOL someone out there should just write ONE... BIG... POST explaining all the mind-wrenching intricacies to fellow
story-devourers. ... I won't.. thats for sure =)
... or maybe I will, ill just have to lock myself in a little room with the game for 4+ years and ill... WAIT, IVE ALREADY DONE THAT!!
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| | | "Re(8):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Mon 7 May 18:20 | Message #1389
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The same could be said about NGE. Bleh.
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| | | "Re(9):My take on Xenogears story... pls read." , Wed 23 May 05:44 AM : | Message #1397
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I think some guy here told me that Kadamony evolves into the Original Miang and then "spawned" Cain and Gazel, then give birth to Elly and Miang.
The thing I don't understand is that when Cain is chasing Elly and Abel, he summons some sort of energy beam killed Elly, and then Abel stops running and holds Elly and say things and it seems Cain did nothing then...well, maybe Cain killed Abel afterwards...
But then that makes a lot of sense, as in the Bible Cain killed Abel out of jealousy...
And in the world of Xenogears, souls exist (okay, I know some of you guys think souls exist in our world too...), so it's not so much about genetic makeup as having the same soul if you ask me.
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| | | "Re(10):My take on Xenogears story... pls read" , Thu 24 May 08:55 AM | Message #1398
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Giving birth to 12 ppl...OW, now that'a gotta hurt :/
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