Topic Title: oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca.
| |  "oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca."
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i've learned more about xenogears by reading posts here than i did playing the game through three times. well, maybe not. but still, wow.
anyway, i have an oddball question...what's the story with calamity? who piloted it in the sand cave, and how did it end up there? maybe someone stole it from ol' man bal when he left the keys in it...
-sharc
[EDIT: painful on the eyes!]
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| |  "Re(1):oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca."
, Sun 3 Jun 11:16 AM | Message #1425
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I would point out here an interesting parallel between Calamity, Siebzehn and Achtzehn. They actually correspond to the paths of the Sephiroth if you consider Calamity to be 'Zechszehn'
Sephiratic paths have parallel meanings to the major arcana on a certain level.. so I'll give both the Tarot meaning and the Kabbalist meaning. As briefly as I can manage.
16 -> The Heirophrant, learning and teaching the Cosmic Law
17 -> The Lovers, subconscious unity.. we are twins..
18 -> The Chariot, path of the heroic warrior.. submission to destiny
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| | "Re(1):oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca." , Sat 12 May 14:12 | Message #1395
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Well It's a prototype of seibzehn and achtzen
Just like maria tells seibzehn what to do i think old man Bal'
used some com' equipment or something to tell Calamity what to do
from the comfort of his old dump!!!
Well thats what I think 
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| | "Re(1):oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca." , Sun 6 May 13:35 : | Message #1385
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I'm almost positive Calamity had its own brain, like Seibzehn and Achtzen. Remember, when Bart and Fei leave, Bal says something like "You won't get past Calamity," or "Calamity will stop you," or something, never that HE was going to stop them; in other words, he knew it was hanging around in the caves, but he didn't pilot it himself.
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| | "Re(1):oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca." , Sat 28 Apr 08:19 | Message #1366
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Unless Calamity had its own mind, Balthazar being the pilot is the only logical answer. I mean, geez. He's one of the only people in the cave.
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| | "Re(1):oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca." , Mon 23 Apr 21:21 | Message #1346
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I was, and still am comfused about that......well, heres my theory.....
I think it was a prodotype for Seibzehn & Achtzehn, and because it was a prodotype, it must of had a brain intergreted into the system so Old'man Bal didn't have to pilot it himself, just does what Maria does, tells it what to do, and it does it
This is just a theory
So many games....so little time....
(A good quote to remember.....
"The Truth is realized in an instant; the Act is practiced step by step"
And another one...
"Knowing others is Wisdom knowing yourself is Enlightenment."
And another one...
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing but in rising every time we fail")
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| | | "Re(2):oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca." , Thu 31 May 01:44 PM | Message #1411
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My theory is similar. I think Calamity was created by Balthazar, and was the prototype for Dr. Nickolai's work on Seibzehn and Achtzehn. After leaving Shevat, Calamity might have been programmed to protect Balthazar, or simply to prevent dangerous types from escaping the caverns. Considering how dangerous Fei is (and he didn't even know it yet...), Calamity might have attacked automatically. Or Balthazar might have siced Calamity on Fei and Rico... to stop them? To test Weltall? It is difficult to say...
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| | "Re(1):oh dear lord, it's like freaking mecca." , Mon 23 Apr 20:08 | Message #1344
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Remember when Balthazar started freaking out when he saw Fei's gear? He might of piloted calamity to stop fei for one reason or another. But he knew as much as the other wisemen did, so he really had no reason to....which confuses me...
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| | |  "it's all so strange"
, Mon 23 Apr 21:18 | Message #1345
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yeah....i always figured either some guy stole it from balthasar ages ago, or calamity had a mind of its own, like its "siblings."
just a weird random plot hole, i guess.
-sharc
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| | | "Re(1):it's all so strange" , Tue 22 May 07:57 PM | Message #1396
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I think it'd be reasonable to say it had a brain of itself. If someone had been piloting it, I think that Ol' Bal would of said "(Insert Calamity's drivers name here) will get you" or something along the lines of that.
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| | | "Re(2):it's all so strange" , Thu 24 May 01:01 PM | Message #1399
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yeah, I'd agree with you who say that it has an advanced AI system like that of Siebzehn and Achtzehn. I mean can you -imagine- Old Man Bal' climbinb into and piloting a gear??
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| | | "Re(3):it's all so strange" , Thu 24 May 06:43 PM | Message #1400
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But Siebzehn and Achtzehn still needs some human brain to pilot it right? I think Bal is piloting it, that's why he never appear in the game (it's always hard to appear in the game again when you are shredded into thousands of pieces...)
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| | | "Re(5):it's all so strange" , Sun 27 May 11:34 PM | Message #1403
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oh, I'm beaten here... :(
no matter, cheer up! ^_^
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| | | "Re(5):it's all so strange" , Sat 26 May 02:47 PM | Message #1402
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Exactly DarkSabre.
"War is not who's right but who's left"
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| | | "I was right" , Mon 28 May 03:48 PM | Message #1404
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So, my original theory was right
Calamity must have had some kind of Artifical Intelligence or human Brain implainted into it.
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| | | "Re(1):I was right" , Fri 1 Jun 03:17 AM | Message #1416
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Well, maybe old man Bal is wise enough to know the potential of the slayer of God so decided it's not wise to pilot Calamity himself ;)
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