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When Elly had System HAWWA inserted into her, She became Miang Hawwa (AKA Mother, ture mother, true miang). Miang Hawwa is the main component of Deus. But in order for Miang Hawwa to be the main component, she needs to be inside of Elly's body controlling it. When Miang Hawwa split, the Miang factor went into Miang 0000. Deus can;t use a regular Miang because using any old Miang (like the one that in the game) because it is not the COMPLETE Miang. So Deus needs Miang to awaken within Elly so they can be one whole again. But...Krelian said that even though Miang has awaken within Elly, she still isn;t True Miang yet. I believe in order for true Miang to appear, somehow, the body of Miang and Elly would have to combine or something like that. That part I dont understand, one thing is clear, Deus needs Miang to be in Elly's body so that Miang can be complete.
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| | "Re(1):Mother question" , Sat 23 Jun 08:20 AM | Message #1465
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So I'll explain this with my "souls theory"(tm)  So there is one cokmplete soul evolved from Kadamony (maybe from the waves spewed by Zohar), which is Mother (or true Miang). She/it has spawned the first humans on the plent, and later died, but after she/it died, the soul splits into two, and "reincarnated" into two personas, Elly and Miang. So later when Miang awakens on Elly, it's kinda like the two incomplete souls merged and becomes the Mother again.
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| | | "Re(2):Mother question" , Sat 23 Jun 03:30 PM | Message #1466
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Is there a part in the game where Fei explains most of this?
I don't claim to know too much either (who does), but I thought I remembered him saying something like... that after giving birth to Cain and the elders/Gazel 'the Mother' gave birth to copies of herself (thus splitting), one being Miang and the other as Elly.
Elly is a part of Deus too. My personal understanding is that Zohar erhm... superimposed it's will (Elly) onto Deus's resurrection-program-thing (kadomony?)
So then, both Elly and Miang need to be one again.
Sorry, I lack the skills to describe my point very well, but would some one mind telling me what exactly "Kadomony" stands for?
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| | | "Re(4):Mother question" , Sun 24 Jun 03:11 AM | Message #1469
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Kadamony is the main computer of Deus system. Thoguh I still don't understand what's that Winged monster inthe opening movie and you fought with first entering Eldridge.
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| | | "Re(6):Mother question" , Sun 24 Jun 09:15 AM | Message #1471
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No, Deus is the nucleus of Yabeh, the interplanetary weapon system. Regardless of what you've heard, Dues is just the central part of the weapon, not the entire weapon itself.
As for Merkavah, check here: http://xenoquarters.xenogears.org/information/sources.shtml
too lazy to copy it :(
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| | | "Re(7):Mother question" , Sun 24 Jun 10:51 PM | Message #1472
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Oh, cool stuff, thanks.
... but then was the "entire weapon" on the Eldrigde or only part of it?
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| | | "Re(9):Mother question" , Mon 25 Jun 11:27 PM | Message #1474
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Then how do some of you know about it, this Yabeh?
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| | | "Re(10):Mother question" , Tue 26 Jun 10:40 AM | Message #1475
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When Fei found Razel in Mahanon, they came across Yabeh
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| | | "Re(2):Re(10):Mother question" , Thu 28 Jun 04:10 AM | Message #1477
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Which is a horrible translation in both languages. ^.^ Yabeh, Yaweh... there are absolutely no vowels in "YHWH", are there? I don't see any. And that's the reference I drew it to. ^.^ The names of God. (Kadomony, Zohar, Deus? Oh dear... blasphemy...)
It's spelled differently depending on what you're looking at - and the context, I guess, but... that always drives me nuts. ^^
Then again, I'm not a master in Hebrew. Maybe I'm wrong, or I'm forgetting something. ^.^ (But after Japanese, you can bet that I'm going to dive right into Hebrew and Latin...)
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| | | "Re(3):Re(10):Mother question" , Fri 29 Jun 07:05 AM | Message #1478
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Err... Is it Deus or Yabeh the "System"? Is that monster the core or Kadamony the core?
Also, I know Yhwh/Yabeh is supposed to be the name of God in Jewish belief, but what is Kadamony? It's from what language?
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| | | "Re(4):Re(10):Mother question" , Wed 4 Jul 06:07 AM : | Message #1481
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Also, I know Yhwh/Yabeh is supposed to be the name of God in Jewish belief, but what is Kadamony? It's from what language?
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Kadmony (Kadomony in the US version) is a reference to Adam Kadmon, first man of humanity, synthesis of universe and creation.
At least 95% of the terms used in the game have etymological origins and/or are references to something (who said Evangelion ? Gunnm ? 2001 : A Space Odyssey ? ^_^). Currently I am working on the complete Xenogears Reference Encyclopedia, the first version will be in french but I plan to make an english one. I have already compiled the origins of nearly all the terms from A to F (I still can't find Dazil and Aura Ehpeil). I could translate it if you are interested.
Edit : Intangir > I haven't found Yahweh in Perfect Works either. I think it's because PW contains all the original works of the Xenogears staff ; the name Yahweh (Yabeh in US version) was probably adopted during the end of development, just in order to give a name to the Deus-Zohar complex. It doesn't have any role in the story.
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| | | "Re(5):Re(10):Mother question" , Thu 5 Jul 07:16 PM | Message #1482
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Well, when does Adam begin to have such significance in the Japanese culture? :P
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| | | "Re(6):Re(10):Mother question" , Fri 6 Jul 02:23 AM | Message #1484
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DarkDeus > Japanese - and especially Takahashi - are very interested by religions and cultures. But there are also some terms refering to asian history in Xenogears, like Fei or Kim.
BlurYamaneko > I think Mahanon is named for Mahanaim, a place where Jacob is said to have met the "Angels of God". Merkabah (Merkava in US version) is the name given to the throne of God in the visions of the hebrew prophet Ezekiel (which is also the name of Solaris' mothership).
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| | | "Re(7):Re(10):Mother question" , Fri 6 Jul 10:01 AM | Message #1485
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Well, I'm not sure but I don't remember that Adam got a surname... (Of course I'm not exactly an expert of biblical figures... but then in Angel Sanctuary, Adam Kadmon was the most powerful six-winged angel...)
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| | | "Re(8):Re(10):Mother question" , Sat 7 Jul 01:24 AM | Message #1490
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Well, I don't think Kadmon is mentioned in the Bible, but it is in the jewish Kabbala.
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| | | "Re(9):Re(10):Mother question" , Sat 7 Jul 02:59 AM | Message #1491
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Oh, so that's it. I thought it's just AS invented that Kadmon surname... So in the Kabala how's the importance of Adam Kadmon? In AS he's higher than all angels and it is because Lucifer refused to bow to Adam Kadmon that he got cast into Hell.
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| | | "Re(10):Re(10):Mother question" , Sat 7 Jul 09:11 AM | Message #1494
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I'm not an expert of the Kabbala, but here is what I know. Adam Kadmon means "the primordial man" in hebrew. He is described in the jewish Kabbala as the perfect prototype man created by God, the first man of humanity and also the synthesis of universe and creation. He is sometimes symbolized by the Sephiroticum, or "Tree of Life", the most important kabbalistic sign which represents the ten primitive emanations of God.
By the way, the Solaris banner IS a Sephiroticum, and it is obvious that the Path of Sephirot also makes reference to it.
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