Topic Title: Citan's Loyalty
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Hey everyone. I'm new here, but this is something that I've been wondering, and I'd like some thoughts on it. If this is a dead horse I'm beating; I hadn't been able to delve through everything yet; be nice in letting me know. If not, then go nuts.
What I am curious about is Citan's loyalty to Emperor Cain. Did Citan oppose Solaris' social system because it was unjust, or because Cain came to oppose it?
Consider this. Citan remained in Solaris far longer than Sigurd or Jesiah. They both left because they couldn't accept Solaris' ways, but Citan did not. He stayed, and worked his way up to being Cain's personal agent. It seems to me that the system didn't bother him that much at all.
It was on Cain's order that he left to keep an eye on the Contact, and it was on Cain's request that Citan recommended ending the domination of the Surface Dwellers. Thus, it could be said that Cain was the one to truly doubt the system, not Citan. Therefore, if that is true, did Citan originally turn his back to the Solarian system because it was wrong, or because Cain doubted it? Was it because Cain doubted that Citan saw injustice, or did Citan doubt to stay loyal to Cain?
The whole of human history; indeed the summation of human thought and actions; is nine tenths idiocy and one tenth prejudice. Or is it the other way around?
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| | "Re(1):Citan's Loyalty" , Wed 1 Aug 08:11 PM | Message #1530
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I'd think (and like to believe) that Citan is totally loyal to Emperor Cain. Of course there's no way telling how he will act if Cain ordered him to kill Fei... But then I think that loyal is what keeps him from a generic stereotypical "bad guy turn goo by the power of love" sidekick shit or whatever. I like the Citan in XG most partly because of his loyalty to Solaris (the Solaris under Cain, not Krelian)
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| | | "Re(2):Citan's Loyalty" , Thu 2 Aug 03:54 PM | Message #1533
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Of course there's no way telling how he will act if Cain ordered him to kill Fei...
Well, I'd like to think he would (kill Fei, that is). This is simply because I wanted so badly for Citan to be evil. My favorite characters in games are the bad guys (Sephiroth, Krelian (although, he's only sort of a bad guy), Kefka, and, of course, Guildenstern...), and so I loved it so much when Citan
spoiler:turned on Fei in Solaris. Which, consequently, I think, shows that Citan would be loyal enough to kill Fei. After all, he went far enough to torture Fei, right (even if he didn't like doing it...)?
-Surtur's evil... mwahahahahaha... ha... er... I'm going now...
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| | | "Re(4):Citan's Loyalty" , Thu 2 Aug 08:33 PM | Message #1535
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In my own "fantasy" time-line, Citan would reveal his evilness just before Ramsus kills Cain. Citan would kill Ramsus. Then a shocked Krelian would try to battle him, only to lose, and then Citan would slaughter Miang as well, to bring forth the True Miang (or is that Mother? I can't remember anymore...). He would then use Deus for his own purposes, as well as Elly/Miang. And he would kick a hell of a lot of ass. The game would end with Citan victorious and Fei, dead and headless (by Citan's awesome sword).
-Surtur kicks a hell of a lot of ass, too...
"I can't believe it. I missed. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..." - Bullseye after killing Karen Page with a shot meant for Daredevil (Daredevil Vol. 2 Issue 5)
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"But sooner or later it happens to even the best children doesn't it blasphemer? Sooner or later every son lets his mother down."
"No... mom..." - Conversation between Mephisto and Daredevil (also Daredevil vol. 2 issue 5)
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| | | "Re(5):Citan's Loyalty" , Thu 2 Aug 11:09 PM | Message #1536
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I persoanlly don't like to think Citan as "good" or "evil". I think he should be "cool", and neither good nor evil. At least not the "Evil" in term of doing everything for himself thing. I'd like to portrait Citan to be the true soldier, always loyal to his Emperor, always successfully completing his objectives, and maybe even when he lost in Shvat, it could be part of Cain's order. That would be much "cooler" than a generic mad villain.
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| "Re(1):Citan's Loyalty" , Tue 31 Jul 10:51 PM | Message #1528
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My understanding of the chronology of events from when Citan was accepted into Jugend/Eugent and when he leaves for the (fifth?) Shevat invasion, where he meets Yui, is rather limited. I would guess that a strong understanding of the sequence of events during this period would make what I am about to say hold more water, but I will say it anyway.
From my understanding, Citan did have a great deal of anger for the socio-economic system used in Solaris. He seems to be a person inately concerned for human life, and his history is filled with tragedy relating to Solaris's social policies (the living condition and death of his family). I believe he would have left Solaris, just as Sigurd and Jessie did, if he didn't believe that his presence there was going to cause some sort of change for the better. I think, more than any of the original Elements, he was probably an idealist, and was, therefore, loyal to Kahr for longer than the others. He was probably also instated as Guardian Angel prior to both Sigurd and Jessie's escape. Cain would have told him of his reformed views on the social system, and Citan would have likely then realized that he would be of most help in the process of the reform by staying at Cain's side.
What I don't understand is where his Dark Side fits into all of this. Yui seemed to be quite concerned that by returning to Solaris and delivering Fei, Citan would risk losing himself again. If this is true, when did he lose himself the first time?
Any thougths, anyone?
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